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Post by xebi on Mar 17, 2015 19:16:02 GMT
I have a feeling she'll just go "I'm only joking for fucks sake, I know rape and racism are wrong" and refuse to listen to any nuances. Not that I want to stereotype 14-year-olds. My 66-year-old mother would say "Oh for God's sake can't you take a joke?" She also refuses to read any articles or blogs I send her to explain why I feel the way I do about stuff like racist jokes.
I remember one guy having a huge go at me for shouting "rape" in jest. On one level, he was right. On another, the jokiness was my way of dealing with the fact that he'd pinned me against the wall and was shoving ice cubes down my bra despire me begging him to stop. I wouldn't shout rape nowadays but I would still damn well shout.
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Post by muskratthemink on Mar 17, 2015 19:25:43 GMT
blowpop, I've talked to my sister several times about the rape thing, but each time she says I'm not her mom and she doesn't have to listen to me. Not that she listens to mom too much, either. As for the show, she watched it for the first time last night, as well as she can focus on something that's not all about her, anyway. After she blurted the racist comment she got up and went back to her room. The biggest reason I can come up with as to why she's like this is everyone her age thinks it's funny to do that kind of thing and she has to be part of the herd, if not the leader of it. I'm just hoping she grows out of it at some point.
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Post by muskratthemink on Mar 17, 2015 20:37:37 GMT
The world my sister is being raised in is already different than the one you and I were raised in, xebi. In this world, it's okay to joke about things like rape, racism and pretty much every crime on the face of the earth. It's gotten to the point where I'm surprised people still take said crimes seriously. "People are always joking about them, so they must be okay, right?"
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Post by sadarievenstar on Mar 18, 2015 1:47:12 GMT
I'm not really sure if 'kids these days' is the right way to look at it. I know people of all ages who make the same kind of jokes and justify it the same way. Sometimes kids learn some empathy and grow out of it, sometimes they grow up to be assholes.
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Post by muskratthemink on Mar 18, 2015 3:47:14 GMT
I'm not really sure if 'kids these days' is the right way to look at it. I know people of all ages who make the same kind of jokes and justify it the same way. Sometimes kids learn some empathy and grow out of it, sometimes they grow up to be assholes. I haven't been around any adults who do this, but I've been around plenty of kids. A lot of parents these days, at least when it comes to kids I've interacted with, don't teach their kids anything except they're the center of the world and can do no wrong. They're also afraid to punish the spoiled brats they're raising because someone might object and cause a scene, or worse, possibly start a whole drama about child abuse. The problem's bigger now than ever and I don't see it going away any time soon.
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Post by blowpop on Mar 18, 2015 7:49:52 GMT
I have to agree with sadarievenstar I know more adults that do this kind of shit than kids/teens. But it's a number of factors that play into it. Such as the environment you live in. How you are raised. How much society affects you. How liberal/conservative the area you live in. And a bunch of other psychological and sociological factors you live in/were raised in. Though I do slightly agree muskratthemink. A LOT of parents don't discipline their kids or teach them anything except if you whine enough things will go your way and it's never your fault. But that's partly also a sociological and psychological problem as well.
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Post by xebi on Mar 18, 2015 8:54:30 GMT
I haven't been around any adults who do this, but I've been around plenty of kids Ohhhhh you should meet my mother. In fact, you can keep her... My friend's dad is always telling racist jokes. So my friend, an otherwise wonderful 31-year-old, will occasionally say "Guess what my racist dad said" then repeat the joke in a hushed voice and smirk as if I'm expected to find it funny. I'll tell her it isn't funny and she shrugs and changes the subject. And when it comes to the slightly more subtle stuff like misusing the term racist, I get the feeling that if it were only kids doing this then we wouldn't have a problem.
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Post by muskratthemink on Mar 18, 2015 14:13:17 GMT
I've already got a mom, sorry.
Ugh, I'm not a fan of people like that. Just because they find something funny doesn't mean everyone will. But they usually seem to miss that memo.
But the kids who do sometimes turn into adults who do, whilst also telling their own kids it's okay to do that.
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Post by mrgbh on Mar 19, 2015 9:49:03 GMT
There are only two kinds of people I hate. Racists and the French.
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Post by xebi on Mar 19, 2015 18:25:33 GMT
Very good. One of my favourite graffiti reads: "Things I hate. 1. Vandalism. 2. Irony. 3. Lists."
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Post by ella on Mar 21, 2015 13:41:58 GMT
I get annoyed when food products that have never had gluten (like raw meat) have "gluten free" written all over the packaging. I blame too many people only half listening to so called TV "health" experts when they talk about gluten and celiac's.
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Post by gardengirl13 on Mar 21, 2015 21:05:01 GMT
Oh yeah I hate that one too!!! Things that are no where near gluten say gluten free because it's the new catch phrase for diets.
And yeah in the area I live in people are very afraid of teaching their kids any respect or disciplining them. This has to be one of the most entitled areas. I worked for a college for over 13 years and seeing the kids come in started scaring me! They were no where near independent. I'd overhear phone conversations that were "Mom!! Mom guess what?! I had a chocolate ice cream cone for dessert at lunch today! Yeah they had them!" Seriously. This was a 20 year old saying this to her mother. They hire maids to clean their rooms and to due laundry for their kids. No not all of them are like this, but a large majority of them are. They get a B in class and instead of talking to the professor their parents call the president of the college! yeah. I've heard from people who work in HR in businesses and say that they now have to have parental info packets. I asked what the fuck that meant, and she said parents now come to job interviews with their kids. Yes I'm calling a 27 year old a kid when they behave like this. They ask questions, answer questions for the kid etc... It's insane! We're raising people who are not and will not be capable of handling anything.
The good part is I've more recently seen news stories about letting kids fail and making themselves pick themselves up. To discipline them. To raise adults not coddle them. So yes I've seen kids act up a lot, and yes adults too, but these tend to be the younger adults who are still being raised by their parents. But also "regular" adults too. yes they might be slightly better educated, socially aware etc in this area, but that doesn't mean they have common sense, common decency or care about anything but themselves, unless of course it makes them look better to others. Like caring for the current cause du jour.
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Post by ella on Mar 22, 2015 12:01:30 GMT
wait, what? Parents go into their grown children's interviews? I can understand a parent talking to an employer if the kid is a teen if that employer is treating the kid bad. I remember being 16-17 and working fast food where they were having me do stuff that a minor couldn't do, and my dad called the manager to tell that I had to quit and he was calling the labor board. I can't imagine having my parents in an interview or intervening in my work as an adult.
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Post by arowhena on Mar 22, 2015 16:37:06 GMT
... parents now come to job interviews with their kids. I recruit junior doctors and we often get parents phoning up asking questions on their behalf. Not always parents - sometimes partners (usually male). My mum and Mr Arowhena would not in a million years phone potential employers for me... slight whiff of 5SoG behaviour IMO!
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Post by rhiannon on Mar 23, 2015 18:53:50 GMT
So I follow an Aidan Turner fan page on Facebook (having been a fan of his since he was first in Being Human!) There is now a lot about the new BBC Poldark series. I have been into Poldark since I was a child, as my mother was a fan of the old series and we watched it too, and also read all of the books. SO I TAKE POLDARK SERIOUSLY and I am an old fart. The BBC have this thing on the site for #Team Demelza or #Team Elizabeth, which I find really asinine, as it is NOT Twilight, and as there has been the old series and the books out since FOREVER, I do not think it is any great mystery who Ross Poldark ends up with. So the Aidan Turner page person writes something saying she is now #Team Demelza and I commented that I thought the team stuff was stupid. She is now having a gigantic gothic huff and moaning on the page about the nasty person who called HER stupid! And lots of people saying 'Oh don't take it personally they are just jealous' bla bla. I did NOT call HER stupid. I just said the TEAM stuff was stupid!!! ARG. (And the team stuff IS stupid!!)
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