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Post by rhiannon on Mar 23, 2015 18:57:58 GMT
wait, what? Parents go into their grown children's interviews? I can understand a parent talking to an employer if the kid is a teen if that employer is treating the kid bad. I remember being 16-17 and working fast food where they were having me do stuff that a minor couldn't do, and my dad called the manager to tell that I had to quit and he was calling the labor board. I can't imagine having my parents in an interview or intervening in my work as an adult. My husband had that. He was expecting a young man and this middle aged woman comes in and says her son is on his way, he is just a bit late. So my husband asked if he was having trouble finding somewhere to park, which was reasonable as the store is in the city centre. No, the mother says, he was at a party really late the night before and only just got up (!). He turned up about 15 minutes later and apparently could hardly string a sentence together. ARG. He was about 20!
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Post by muskratthemink on Mar 23, 2015 19:24:28 GMT
So I follow an Aidan Turner fan page on Facebook (having been a fan of his since he was first in Being Human!) There is now a lot about the new BBC Poldark series. I have been into Poldark since I was a child, as my mother was a fan of the old series and we watched it too, and also read all of the books. SO I TAKE POLDARK SERIOUSLY and I am an old fart. The BBC have this thing on the site for #Team Demelza or #Team Elizabeth, which I find really asinine, as it is NOT Twilight, and as there has been the old series and the books out since FOREVER, I do not think it is any great mystery who Ross Poldark ends up with. So the Aidan Turner page person writes something saying she is now #Team Demelza and I commented that I thought the team stuff was stupid. She is now having a gigantic gothic huff and moaning on the page about the nasty person who called HER stupid! And lots of people saying 'Oh don't take it personally they are just jealous' bla bla. I did NOT call HER stupid. I just said the TEAM stuff was stupid!!! ARG. (And the team stuff IS stupid!!) Yes, team stuff regarding books and everything is stupid. Even more when you voice your opinion on it and then some "fans" go all psycho, saying you insulted them and not a specific aspect of the fandom. In my opinion, people like that aren't really fans, but followers, doing something because everyone else is doing it.
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Post by ella on Mar 23, 2015 21:11:13 GMT
wait, what? Parents go into their grown children's interviews? I can understand a parent talking to an employer if the kid is a teen if that employer is treating the kid bad. I remember being 16-17 and working fast food where they were having me do stuff that a minor couldn't do, and my dad called the manager to tell that I had to quit and he was calling the labor board. I can't imagine having my parents in an interview or intervening in my work as an adult. My husband had that. He was expecting a young man and this middle aged woman comes in and says her son is on his way, he is just a bit late. So my husband asked if he was having trouble finding somewhere to park, which was reasonable as the store is in the city centre. No, the mother says, he was at a party really late the night before and only just got up (!). He turned up about 15 minutes later and apparently could hardly string a sentence together. ARG. He was about 20! Did the mother think that her showing up was gonna change the fact that the kid showed up hung over for an interview? geez. I once interviewed a kid that was clearly obviously on something, and one of the other bosses (who was desperate to hire a guy because we seemed to only be getting women applicants) kept making excuses like "oh maybe he's tired so his eyes are red, he could have just woken up" "he's laughing a lot and speaking a little slurred because he's just nervous," "he smells a little like weed, but maybe he was around someone else smoking it. We should hire him!" Me and everyone else who sat in the interview just looked at her like she was insane, but since she had the final say so we had to send him for a drug test, which he obviously failed.
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Post by rhiannon on Mar 23, 2015 21:21:40 GMT
So I follow an Aidan Turner fan page on Facebook (having been a fan of his since he was first in Being Human!) There is now a lot about the new BBC Poldark series. I have been into Poldark since I was a child, as my mother was a fan of the old series and we watched it too, and also read all of the books. SO I TAKE POLDARK SERIOUSLY and I am an old fart. The BBC have this thing on the site for #Team Demelza or #Team Elizabeth, which I find really asinine, as it is NOT Twilight, and as there has been the old series and the books out since FOREVER, I do not think it is any great mystery who Ross Poldark ends up with. So the Aidan Turner page person writes something saying she is now #Team Demelza and I commented that I thought the team stuff was stupid. She is now having a gigantic gothic huff and moaning on the page about the nasty person who called HER stupid! And lots of people saying 'Oh don't take it personally they are just jealous' bla bla. I did NOT call HER stupid. I just said the TEAM stuff was stupid!!! ARG. (And the team stuff IS stupid!!) Yes, team stuff regarding books and everything is stupid. Even more when you voice your opinion on it and then some "fans" go all psycho, saying you insulted them and not a specific aspect of the fandom. In my opinion, people like that aren't really fans, but followers, doing something because everyone else is doing it. It is not a YA series and the books at least are about a LOT more than just their relationship, I really think doing that 'team' stuff trivialises it. It's about 18th century life in Cornwall as well and there are a lot of characters involved. But I totally didn't say SHE was stupid. I sent her an apology message though I think she's being daft to get in that much of a huff over it.
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Post by rhiannon on Mar 23, 2015 21:35:31 GMT
My husband had that. He was expecting a young man and this middle aged woman comes in and says her son is on his way, he is just a bit late. So my husband asked if he was having trouble finding somewhere to park, which was reasonable as the store is in the city centre. No, the mother says, he was at a party really late the night before and only just got up (!). He turned up about 15 minutes later and apparently could hardly string a sentence together. ARG. He was about 20! Did the mother think that her showing up was gonna change the fact that the kid showed up hung over for an interview? geez. I once interviewed a kid that was clearly obviously on something, and one of the other bosses (who was desperate to hire a guy because we seemed to only be getting women applicants) kept making excuses like "oh maybe he's tired so his eyes are red, he could have just woken up" "he's laughing a lot and speaking a little slurred because he's just nervous," "he smells a little like weed, but maybe he was around someone else smoking it. We should hire him!" Me and everyone else who sat in the interview just looked at her like she was insane, but since she had the final say so we had to send him for a drug test, which he obviously failed. Why were they so desperate to get a guy? Some kind of equal opportunities thing? I am curious.
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Post by rhiannon on Mar 23, 2015 21:38:11 GMT
Also have just seen a thing on Facebook about golliwogs being removed from sale (Huh? How are golliwogs still a thing at all? I thought they stopped being made in the 70s...), and there were all these people protesting saying they were 'cute' and 'not racist'. GOLLIWOGS NOT RACIST. What is this, the full moon or something? First that girl goes nuts because I did NOT call her stupid, and now this...
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Post by wonderbink on Mar 23, 2015 21:53:49 GMT
It's weird the way people overidentify with the things they like to the point that they think to call That Thing They Like stupid is tantamount to calling THEM stupid. I wouldn't be surprised if the gollywog (which my iPhone almost autocorrected to Hollywood) thing springs from the same impulse. "I'm not racist! Therefore this thing I like can't be racist because if it was then I'd be racist and I'm not racist!"
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Post by mrgbh on Mar 24, 2015 9:18:11 GMT
Also have just seen a thing on Facebook about golliwogs being removed from sale (Huh? How are golliwogs still a thing at all? I thought they stopped being made in the 70s...), and there were all these people protesting saying they were 'cute' and 'not racist'. GOLLIWOGS NOT RACIST. What is this, the full moon or something? First that girl goes nuts because I did NOT call her stupid, and now this... I had a Golliwog as a child. I've still got it in storage somewhere. It's missing its' jacket, nose, hair, buttons, the eyes have been reduced to outlines of string, same with the mouth and one of the arms has been lost. And as a child I just thought of it as a fun toy. And then people suddenly started telling me that they were racist and I was racist for defending them. I don't get it, how can it be racist to not care about race?
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Post by rhiannon on Mar 24, 2015 9:38:46 GMT
I wouldn't blame a child for having one. The difference is adults who should know better still saying the dolls are not racist. It's fine that kids had them back in the day but they shouldn't be on sale now.
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Post by ella on Mar 24, 2015 10:06:44 GMT
Did the mother think that her showing up was gonna change the fact that the kid showed up hung over for an interview? geez. I once interviewed a kid that was clearly obviously on something, and one of the other bosses (who was desperate to hire a guy because we seemed to only be getting women applicants) kept making excuses like "oh maybe he's tired so his eyes are red, he could have just woken up" "he's laughing a lot and speaking a little slurred because he's just nervous," "he smells a little like weed, but maybe he was around someone else smoking it. We should hire him!" Me and everyone else who sat in the interview just looked at her like she was insane, but since she had the final say so we had to send him for a drug test, which he obviously failed. Why were they so desperate to get a guy? Some kind of equal opportunities thing? I am curious. Honestly, I think it was because she wanted someone to flirt/mess around with. Rumor has it she got fired a couple years ago for having an inappropriate relationship with someone she was supervising.
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Post by mrgbh on Mar 24, 2015 10:45:26 GMT
I wouldn't blame a child for having one. The difference is adults who should know better still saying the dolls are not racist. It's fine that kids had them back in the day but they shouldn't be on sale now. I can see that they're racist, even if it was intentional or not. But banning them is not the answer. The best response (In my experience, so take with a pinch of salt) is to make it funny. I've always found that the best way to diffuse offense is to make jokes. If everyone's laughing then no-one's fighting.
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Post by sortilegio on Mar 24, 2015 13:05:26 GMT
I wouldn't blame a child for having one. The difference is adults who should know better still saying the dolls are not racist. It's fine that kids had them back in the day but they shouldn't be on sale now. I can see that they're racist, even if it was intentional or not. But banning them is not the answer. The best response (In my experience, so take with a pinch of salt) is to make it funny. I've always found that the best way to diffuse offense is to make jokes. If everyone's laughing then no-one's fighting. I don't feel that way. These Dolly are highly offensive. It will be hard for certain people to laugh about them. So making them "funny" would most certain make people accuse them of being humorless
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Post by rhiannon on Mar 24, 2015 13:16:43 GMT
I just do not see the point of manufacturing them and selling them to children in this day and age at all. If you have an old one, then fine, i don't think the police should be coming round to seize it or anything like that. But I do not see why such dolls should be manufactured and sold when there are plenty of other non racist toys available for children. They are not necessary.
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Post by xebi on Mar 24, 2015 18:39:49 GMT
And then people suddenly started telling me that they were racist and I was racist for defending them. I don't get it, how can it be racist to not care about race? I guess because if you say you don't care about race or acknowledge that something highly offensive to Black people is racist, then you're basically saying you don't care about those people and the prejudice they face. I don't believe that you personally don't care about racism, but one could argue that if you fail to acknowledge racism is a problem by not caring about race and/or not defending oppressed people's rights, then you may be contributing to the problem.
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Post by mrgbh on Mar 25, 2015 7:12:03 GMT
To me, it comes down to intent. If something is designed to be offensive on racial lines, then I will fight against it until my last breath. But if it's just accidental? Then I really couldn't care less and if someone takes offense by my lack of offense, that's their problem.
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